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December 6th, 2007

One year later: Where are the killer Vista apps?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 7:51 am

Categories: Vista, Windows client, Development tools, Visual Studio 2008 (Orcas), .Net Framework

Tags: Yahoo! Inc., Microsoft Windows Presentation Foundation, Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Client Platform Technical Evangelist Tim Sneath, Sneath, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Software, Mary Jo Foley

At the Consumer Electronics Show last January, Microsoft and Yahoo made a big deal out of a Vista-optimized version of Yahoo Messenger that was supposedly one of many compelling Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) apps in the pipeline.

On December 6, one year later, Yahoo announced a pre-beta of its Vista instant-messaging app. And still no word on what took so long or when Yahoo will get the final version out there.

What gives? Aren’t applications supposedly what sell an operating system? If so, where are the must-have Vista apps built to take advantage of the Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) graphics, the Windows Communication Foundation WCF) communications and Windows Workflow (WF) underpinnings of Vista?

Microsoft Client Platform Technical Evangelist Tim Sneath has been cataloging “great WPF applications.” With Yahoo Messenger, he is now up to 16. Sneath’s list doesn’t include many household-name software developers (other than Yahoo and Roxio). Most of the apps on his list are custom business applications.

Is WPF too hard to write to? Is there insufficient positive payback for optimizing for WPF? Over on the istartedsomething.com blog, Long Zheng wonders aloud:

One of the major roadblocks for WPF applications has been performance and it looks like this application (Yahoo Messenger) suffers the same fate. On a dual-core system with a more than plentiful graphics card, this application can’t even render the emoticon popout opening and closing without obvious pauses. Generally when anything animates, CPU usage flies right up and performance hits rock bottom.”

Or maybe it’s the fact that the real tool suite for writing Vista applications — Visual Studio 2008 — only was released to manufacturing a few weeks ago? Developers attempting to write to WPF, WCF and WF, until now, had to use some stop-gap tools from Microsoft to take advantage of these new Vista technologies.

In January, I posted the question: “Where are the killer Vista apps?” One year after the Vista launch, I am wondering again: Where are they? Anyone know of any new applications coming that will make Vista more compelling to consumers and/or businesses?

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RE: One year later: Where are the killer Vista apps?
Reason 1:
Native development tools for Vista are only being released this month (RTM last month)

Reason 2:
.Net Framework 3 is an OPTIONAL component in Windows Update which means that g... (Read the rest)
Posted by: pixolut Posted on: 12/20/07 You are currently: Logged In | Log out
They're not difficult to write... betelgeuse68   | 12/06/07
I'm trying to find the "reduced game performance" with a microscope . . . CobraA1   | 12/06/07
Let me focus it a bit for you...... middle of nowhere   | 12/06/07
yup notsofast   | 12/06/07
Linux again rolf.ernst@...   | 12/07/07
not to argue, but... genefitz1976   | 12/07/07
Sometimes this is the case, others it's the opposite TrackStar1682   | 12/06/07
I spent 3 Gs building my computer and the... tek_heretik   | 12/08/07
Vista gaming performance loss is not DirectX related YeaiBetYouDo   | 12/17/07
Historical note on spreadsheets Len Rooney   | 12/06/07
You've made the argument there is no reason to move xuniL_z   | 12/06/07
3-D ??? thungurknifur   | 12/07/07
YES 3-D. Obviously you are one of those who xuniL_z   | 12/07/07
.Net rolf.ernst@...   | 12/07/07
I don't think it's quite that dramatic. xuniL_z   | 12/07/07
I don't install anything... tek_heretik   | 12/08/07
Vista Ultimate Extras... aulax@...   | 12/06/07
Well, you do get Vista Business wrapped into ... xuniL_z   | 12/07/07
They are removing it in SP-1 TripleII   | 12/06/07
You beat me to the punch Ole Man   | 12/07/07
Yeah yeah......have seen this before <yawn> xuniL_z   | 12/07/07
Well, you get 2 points for at least trying to be witty Ole Man   | 12/07/07
Good one Triplell. Points scored. <nt> xuniL_z   | 12/07/07
For me, it's DRM bmgoodman   | 12/06/07
DRM is the content creators choice mdemuth   | 12/06/07
Partially correct bmgoodman   | 12/06/07
Well yes and no mrOSX   | 12/06/07
The biggest reason Vista WPF applications are taking so long is... TechExec2   | 12/06/07
Is it me? mdsock@...   | 12/06/07
Not alone rassm@...   | 12/07/07
BSOD Revisionism DannyO_0x98   | 12/08/07
Was there ever a killer app for XP? byronldowell@...   | 12/06/07
The killer ap was XP itself doodlius   | 12/06/07
working overtime? bubblesroe@...   | 12/07/07
Think so rolf.ernst@...   | 12/07/07
I think you guys are right here seanferd   | 12/07/07
You are right when you said it was the wait for VS 08 No_Ax_to_Grind   | 12/06/07
Microsoft has jumped the shark here. There really is nothing complelling DonnieBoy   | 12/06/07
I tried it ... markbn   | 12/06/07
I also feel that the 3D effects are a waste of time, though cute. So, if DonnieBoy   | 12/06/07
Put up or Shut Up No_Ax_to_Grind   | 12/06/07
Try to just name one thing that Vista brings to the party to enable killer DonnieBoy   | 12/07/07
Jumped the shark? tmccorm   | 12/07/07
Ah yes, the famous Happy Days episode.... xuniL_z   | 12/07/07
90 million licenses... jasonp@...   | 12/07/07
Wow, now that's some anecdotal evidence. BUT, i'm not coming up with.... xuniL_z   | 12/13/07
From the fringes of Hollywood DannyO_0x98   | 12/08/07
I've spent the last year doing WCF and WPF. TheTruthisOutThere   | 12/06/07
Fair enough, but, is there anything that Vista brings to the party? Or will DonnieBoy   | 12/06/07
Vista, XP, both run .Net 3.0 fine. TheTruthisOutThere   | 12/06/07
While most Vista users have spent the last year doing WTF heres_johnny   | 12/11/07
RE: One year later: Where are the killer Vista apps? StilyagiHall   | 12/06/07
So, if there ever is a killer application, it will run better on XP!! DonnieBoy   | 12/06/07
GPU TheTruthisOutThere   | 12/06/07
Right, but in any case, it will all work on XP, as WPF has been backported. DonnieBoy   | 12/06/07
Donnie xuniL_z   | 12/07/07
Still waiting for one feature in Vista that XP does not have that will DonnieBoy   | 12/07/07
Actually Donnie... genefitz1976   | 12/07/07
It's about developer targeting, not consumer upgrading DannyO_0x98   | 12/08/07
what do you mean by killer app? Linux Geek   | 12/06/07
Windoze? English grammar? quikboy   | 12/06/07
lol crunchthenumbers@...   | 12/06/07
lol Ole Man   | 12/06/07
Why not? quikboy   | 12/07/07
You got me that time, quickie Ole Man   | 12/07/07
From what I hear... Userama   | 12/06/07
They're waiting for Silverlight 2.0 odenni   | 12/06/07
WPF is great... but new. cromwellryan@...   | 12/06/07
Bingo. TheTruthisOutThere   | 12/06/07
Vista-only Apps not realistic donelder@...   | 12/06/07
I agree.... DCMann   | 12/06/07
I meant that "Killer App" .... DCMann   | 12/06/07
Agreed rolf.ernst@...   | 12/07/07
Go tell Yahoo TheTruthisOutThere   | 12/06/07
It's hard to see, but it's there. cromwellryan@...   | 12/06/07
Home Server levinson   | 12/06/07
RE: One year later: Where are the killer Vista apps? John3123   | 12/06/07
Yahoo Messenger for 32-Bit Vista Only Mary Jo Foley  ZDNet | 12/07/07
Killer App? levinson   | 12/06/07
NO ONE wants VISTA............. carlsf@...   | 12/06/07
RE: One year later: Where are the killer Vista apps? Crabby Guy   | 12/06/07
RE: One year later: Where are the killer Vista apps? Doniteli   | 12/06/07
RE: One year later: Where are the killer Vista apps? Rude Union   | 12/07/07
RE: One year later: Where are the killer Vista apps? bkrdr04@...   | 12/06/07
Here is why I prefer Vista michaelkhalsa   | 12/06/07
badly configured computers levinson   | 12/06/07
All apps except MS seem bad jim.denny@...   | 12/07/07
I beg to differ Rude Union   | 12/07/07
ding ding ding... jasonp@...   | 12/07/07
Businesses just don't need Vista david@...   | 12/06/07
Message has been deleted. mdbobbo@...   | 12/06/07
You know what'll kill Vista? epcraig   | 12/06/07
The Absent Killers johnfenjackson@...   | 12/07/07
Well said xrxca   | 12/07/07
You forgot the last part Ole Man   | 12/07/07
Remincer to the writer, Yahoo Msngr For Vista is still in Pre-Beta Bhaaanu   | 12/07/07
RE: One year later: Where are the killer Vista apps? paulhinz   | 12/07/07
RE: One year later: Where are the killer Vista apps? john.meade@...   | 12/07/07
Gonna let you all in... mikeholli   | 12/07/07
Hey, mikeholli... RUlistening   | 12/07/07
Vista uptake? bubblesroe@...   | 12/07/07
Yup, it's XP/3... RUlistening   | 12/07/07
RE: One year later: Where are the killer Vista apps? mwagner@...  ZDNet | 12/07/07
A poor excuse is better than no excuse Ole Man   | 12/07/07
No such thing as a "Vista App". (only 32 bit and 64 bit apps) Smarty_Pantz   | 12/07/07
Vista's Killer Apps genefitz1976   | 12/07/07
Vista is here, it isn't going away Ole Man   | 12/07/07
ME went away. Deal with it. pogson   | 12/07/07
I said long ago Ole Man   | 12/07/07
I have said for months now... gene_fitz@...   | 12/08/07
I thought the topic was Microsoft by extension Ole Man   | 12/08/07
And it isn't going away. gene_fitz@...   | 12/08/07
Like I said, that remains to be seen Ole Man   | 12/08/07
Many reasons EricHill@...   | 12/07/07
That is a very fair assessment. gene_fitz@...   | 12/08/07
The killer apps are OS agnostic tony@...   | 12/08/07
The killers are on leave. kraterz   | 12/09/07
Where's the killer developer tools? John Musbach   | 12/09/07
Oh boy - a zoomy texting utility - how cool! pete_w_flynn@...   | 12/10/07
RE: One year later: Where are the killer Vista apps? pixolut   | 12/20/07

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  • Noticias externas
    Kapow! Shazam! Zing! Mary Jo Foley from ZDNet drove in hard with a right hook last week, referencing my recently-returned-from-hiatus series of great WPF applications and asking why Windows Vista didn't have more killer applications. As one of her correspondents notes, and even Wikipedia highlights

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